ALL of the federally banned semi-auto (assualt weapons) stuff is fine now. The ban ENDED on Sept 13th

A Bush supporter had his front lawn vadalized by people who stole his "Bush-Cheney" signs and burned an 8 foot x 8 foot swastika into the man's front lawn.

Oh man that is unacceptable, from either side.

I don't like anyone putting signs of any kind on my lawn. I would remove the sign even if it's kerry support type.

Sorry but if I'M pointing a weapon at someone, it sure isn't to cause pain!

well, like I said, or meant to have said, it's just for the first shot, as a warning. Besides, if you've ever seen a guy with a load of rock salt in him, you know he's not gonna come up swinging for a minute or two, much less before you've got your next (preferably buck shot) shell in.

First it was:

"Hate to tell you but the *ONLY* banned weapons in PA are fully automatic firearms"

Now it is:

"Automatic weapons and sawed-off shotguns under 18" are the ONLY banned firearms."

Next you'll admit that noise suppressed firearms are illegal. Rifles, also, have barrel and length requirements. The fact is there are *tons* of regulations that predate the Clinton era laws that expired. As an FFL holder I am sure you understand that. That's why your previous statements confused me.

btw: I didn't say 15" was the limit, I said you'd go to jail for having it. Try decaf...

Reply #19 By: BakerStreet - 10/4/2004 7:30:44 PM First it was: "Hate to tell you but the *ONLY* banned weapons in PA are fully automatic firearms" Now it is: "Automatic weapons and sawed-off shotguns under 18" are the ONLY banned firearms." Next you'll admit that noise suppressed firearms are illegal. Rifles, also, have barrel and length requirements. The fact is there are *tons* of regulations that predate the Clinton era laws that expired. As an FFL holder I am sure you understand that. That's why your previous statements confused me. btw: I didn't say 15" was the limit, I said you'd go to jail for having it. Try decaf...

There is no such thing as a noise suppressed firearm persay. Supressors are a *separate* item and not considered firearms by themselves. And again if you have the correct permits they aren't illegal either. And no rifles DO NOT have a barrel length requirement! When they get to a certain length they are no longer considered rifles. They become pistols! Once again check the link! Read and *learn*! I erroniously left shotguns out when I made my first statement. Do tell the truth I didn't even think of them. Link

No, I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

The legal length of a barrel on a rifle is minimum 16", the overall length is minimum 26". If you cut the barrel of a rifle down making the gun less than 26", it doesn't become a pistol, it becomes illegal. Contenders and other such firearms are "convertable" between one and the other, but it means replacing both the stock and the barrel.

There have been permanently suppressed firearms, and you, having an FFL, will understand what the word "affixed" means in terms of legality.

"And again if you have the correct permits they aren't illegal either."

With correct permits none of these weapons are illegal. What's your point?

Reply #21 By: BakerStreet - 10/4/2004 8:56:35 PM No, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The legal length of a barrel on a rifle is minimum 16", the overall length is minimum 26". If you cut the barrel of a rifle down making the gun less than 26", it doesn't become a pistol, it becomes illegal. Contenders and other such firearms are "convertable" between one and the other, but it means replacing both the stock and the barrel. There have been permanently suppressed firearms, and you, having an FFL, will understand what the word "affixed" means in terms of legality. "And again if you have the correct permits they aren't illegal either." With correct permits none of these weapons are illegal. What's your point?

No YOUR wrong I have in my posession a "Winchester" saddle carbine in 45LC that the barrel is 12.5" STOCK from the factory, no permit required! Show your evidence, I showed you mine. And BTW Thompson Contenders don't have stock, they have a grip (as in pistol) and a fore end and you do not *always* have to change the fore end to change caliber. And just WHAT firearms have a permently attached supressor?

Hey you two quit this bickering and go fight some political pundits together.

- GX

It's been my experience that liberals are far less tolerant of opposition views than conservatives.

While Republicans have to deal with the Christian right, very few of them are very militantly political in their views.

By contrast, the far left is a fairly sizeable chunk now of the Democratic base and like the militant christians of the right, they are so self-righteous that they have effectively managed to dehumanize those who oppose them.

Ask the people who burned a swastika into that man's lawn why they did it and they would probably say something snarky like "Why beat around the Bush? Anyone who supports Bush is a Nazi." And I suspect they would truly believe that.

I see people like that regularly in on-line political debate forums and by and large, the most militant political activists are almost exclusively left wing.

blah, Thomson sells stocks for Contenders, they also sell contenders with stocks and rifle barrels from the factory. I'm beginning to doubt all this FFL claim stuff of yours now.

"Bolts on a Thompson Contender (T.C.) pistol in less than a minute. Add a 16 inch barrel to make it legal, and you have a lightweight affordable hunting, backpacking or survival gun. -LINK"

The Law:

" 60102. Ownership, Etc., of Certain Firearms prohibited. The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer or acquisition of any machine guns, sub-machine guns, automatic rifles or any other firearm not a rifle having a barrel length of sixteen (16) inches or greater or not a shotgun having a barrel length of eighteen (18) inches or greater or a revolver or pistol having a barrel length of more than twelve (12) inches is prohibited . Mufflers, silencers or devices for deadening the sound of discharged firearms are also prohibited. Any person violating..." -LINK

Sorry about the off-topic. I think it is dangerous to misrepresent gun laws. People tend to go to jail when they are misinformed. My point was the statement about the only guns "banned" in PA being automatic is patently false.

I'd also be very, very interested in seeing such a Winchester Saddle Carbine for sale now that doesn't require a special license. Produce an ad if you don't mind. The only ones I can find in any of my catalogs or online have a barrell length of 20" or so.

This exchange only reminds me the Micheal Moore was absolutely spot on in Colombine High when he made a fervent plea for gun control. If one of you did not have the gun then this exchange could have taken a different course. Removing the sign from the Lawn is bad, but to say thaT IT DESERVES A bullet is far far worse. GROW UP

Look I don't know what is happening within the US besides what I hear on the political scene (and we hear a lot about your politics). But there has been much controversy over here over supporters of the Liberal Party (the current Right wing Government that has indulged in membership of the Coalition of the Killing) decorating signs for our Greens party and our Labor Party with devil horns, beards, glasses etc. I have retaliated lately because I can't stand the way that the Right feels they have the right to do this to parties who have so little funds they can barely afford posters. But over here it's the Right who started this battle.

Ummm...

It seems like yesterday we were fighting each other over who had the cave closest to the river.

You can't be serious.

It isn't very thoughtful to make statements that start with 'people like that' or to make assumptions about what people would say if you asked them a question about their reasoning.